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Avengers and it's missed opportunity
Now don't get me wrong, I love the Avengers as much as anyone. But I still say that there is a huge lost opportunity in the verse.

I'm talking about Phil Coulson. They were already planning to focus on several male Avengers, so what do they do, they add another male character. yeah I know he's popular, don't really get why, but it happens. But wouldn't it have been so much cooler if instead of using Coulson over and over, that they could have used Carol Danvers? Make her an agent of SHIELD, former airforce, have her working with Stark. And instantly Iron Man gets an easy pass of the Bechdell test because you'd have Pepper talking to Carol. Then bring her back for Captain America, show her in Thor, Iron Man 2 and so on and you have a full build up for the character, each of which gains a canon female character who at that point still doesn't need to have any powers.

Then since the Chitauri are aliens, have her trapped in the tesseract or some other weapon of Loki's in the Avengers, so she appears to die like Coulson did in the movie, working as a imperative for the Avengers to unite. And then at the end of the first Avengers movie, you show a scene of Mar Vell looking after her as a perfect set up for a Captain Marvel movie, which at first sight would be about Mar Vell, only surprise surprise, it turns out to be about Carol who takes up the name Captain Marvel at the end of the movie, just in time to have her join the Avengers in the second Avengers movie...

But did we get that? No, instead we got Hawkeye, while we already had Black Widow and Captain America, and Coulson. And even though there were three women in the Avengers movie, they somehow still didn't manage to have even one scene where two of them talked, was that really so hard to achieve? With Carol instead of Coulson, we could have had Carol talking to Hill, or to Natasha, no problem whatsoever, and the number of women vs men would have improved.

But I guess the fans would rather see yet another guy, instead of a strong female character with tons of story potential and who should easily be able to carry a movie of her own. After all, it's not like Iron Man was that big a name before they gave him a movie of his own.
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transemacabre From: transemacabre Date: December 21st, 2012 05:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
While I like what Clark Gregg did with the character, I agree it was a HUGE waste not to utilize one of the female SHIELD characters. Hell, if not Carol, what about Contessa?

Whedon doesn't have the best track record with this stuff. Remember BUFFY, featuring the whitest California, ever? And his casting call for the SHIELD TV series is for, surprise surprise, the exact same cast as FIREFLY!
From: poisontaster Date: December 21st, 2012 09:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think it's disingenuous to say "the fans would rather see". I enjoyed The Avengers greatly as it was given to me by Whedon/Marvel/the moviemakers. I ALSO would have enjoyed it as you described there. It's just not the movie that was made. There's lots of media that I enjoy as is, while also lamenting about how it could be better and how it fails. If the two were mutually exclusive, I think most of us would have completely retired from enjoying ANY kind of media.
queeberquabbler From: queeberquabbler Date: December 22nd, 2012 12:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Pff. I'm still pissed off that Wasp and Ant/Giant Man werent included. But you're right--Carole would have been awesome! You should contact Joss at once so he can hire you to write the sequel :)
bradygirl_12 From: bradygirl_12 Date: December 22nd, 2012 01:36 pm (UTC) (Link)

The attitude of male-dominated Hollywood toward female characters? Just consider that Wonder Woman, in her 72 years of existence, has NEVER had a live-action, big-budget movie while Superman and Batman have had several throughout the decades. She's had one TV show, a memorable one, to be sure (Lynda Carter: AWESOME!!!) and one animated film. She's never even had an animated TV series like Superman and Batman.

*sighs again*
90scartoonman From: 90scartoonman Date: December 24th, 2012 05:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Not only that but female counterparts to Superman and Batman (Supergirl and Catwoman) have gotten movies. I'm looking forward to the day when there's a Wonder Woman movie and it suddenly dawns on everyone how awesome she is. Luckily, it seems like she'll come back to live action TV one way or another.
bradygirl_12 From: bradygirl_12 Date: December 24th, 2012 09:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
That's very true about the female counterparts. I suppose I shouldn't complain. If they ever do a big-budget live-action movie, it'll probably be dreadful. Just look at the pilot that even NBC wouldn't touch this past year. It was so OOC and awful that it was allowed to quietly fade away.
90scartoonman From: 90scartoonman Date: December 31st, 2012 02:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I still remain optimistic, and I'm looking forward to the Amazon TV series, which probably won't make the same mistakes the David E Kelly show did.
bradygirl_12 From: bradygirl_12 Date: December 31st, 2012 01:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good for you! We need optimism. Hope you're right! :)
90scartoonman From: 90scartoonman Date: January 3rd, 2013 03:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I just realized 2012 was the first time in over 40 years we got a significant role for Wonder Girl in animation...and we got both Donna and Cassie! Things are looking up for Diana!
90scartoonman From: 90scartoonman Date: December 24th, 2012 05:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure I like the idea of introducing a big name hero in the first movie everyone gets, like Iron Man, which should just be about Iron Man and have limited SHIELD involvement. But I do agree Coulson could've been a female SHIELD agent, like Maria Hill or even Sharon Carter.
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