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Professional pride is not just for high paid professions, thank you very much
Feeling somewhat annoyed.

I followed a link yesterday night and this morning to some outsider pov fics. What can I say, I have a thing for them. And the fic was a desk worker dealing with Dean and Sam pretending to be janitorial staff while on a case.

In the fic, the pov observes them and you then get this alinea:
If he knew anything about anything at all, he would put down cash money that these boys were not here for the reason they said they were. You would have to make a game show with some pretty grand prizes to find healthy white men in their youth willing to do hard labor for under five bucks an hour. His thoughts turned to the fresh plastic liner in his pristine garbage can and the well watered African Violets. No one paid to clean did their job that well. If watching bad movies like it was his second income had taught him anything else, it was that people did certain things so they could check out a place without being noticed. The correct term was ‘casing a joint.’

The part I've emphasized is the bit that really annoyed me. I mean, I work as a cleaning woman, that means I clean office buildings. So yeah, this might be weird, but I get annoyed when people seem to think that people like me don't care about our work. It's a matter of professional pride, that and the fact that I actually like what I do for a living. It might not be what I thought I'd be doing, when I was in school, but it's a fun and respectable job, I get responsibility over my own work, get to plan how I spend my time and as long as I'm finished, and the company doesn't have any complaints about the quality of work and Idon't leave before my time is done, no one orders me around about the specifics.

I've worked on a factory line and in a kitchen and compared to the two, I far prefer cleaning.

So yes, when I see something like that in a fic, I couldn't help commenting about it. This is the specific comment I made.

"I like this fic, though I do have an issue with a particular line, which I hope is strictly a pov thing.

the bit about no one doing cleaning for a living doing their job that well...

As a cleaning woman, I must say I found it kind of insulting. I'll admit that I don't know what things are like in the US, but over here, being a cleaning woman is a good and respectable job. Maybe not all that high paid, but you still have your professional pride to do your job well, or at least as well as you can with the materials and time you have at hand. Not to mention that our inspection would get you in serious trouble if you didn't do your job well enough.
Just saying."

Admittedly, maybe I shouldn't have made a short rant like that, but considering the lack of respect tv and life occasionally shows my profession, things like these are a bit of a pet peeve for me. I wasn't really expecting much of a response to this, except maybe a 'well that's how the character thinks or whatever...

Instead I get this as a response:
"Are you fucking kidding me? Because if you aren't you need an institution. Like one will walls."
(for the record the writer deleted this after responding to my next comment, but still it didn't end here, though I probably should have just ignored the writer after this and put them on a list of people whos fics I won't be following again.

Instead I just responded with this:
why? how would you like it if someone insulted your entire profession? It's a thing.

After this the writer apologized and I figured, fine, and forgot about it, until now after work and I saw the page again, comp reloaded and the page was still open.

Turns out they added one last comment in response to their 'apology'
"Altho yer crazy."

And I just....

Is it really that crazy to point out the paragraph as a bit offensive? Or you know, to be offended when someone basically tells you that no one cleaning for a living, cares if they do a good job or not.

I'm not saying that everyone in my profession loves their job, or that they all care. (though even if they don't, they'll generally do at least a well enough job not to get complaints, which often helps when you do the little extra things like watering the plants. (not even going to start on the plastic bag things cause well that's basic every day stuff.) But we do get paid for it, so our employers expect us to do a good job, and to be told you're crazy just because you care about that... that kinda hurts.
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jennygeee From: jennygeee Date: March 14th, 2012 02:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
OMG what a jerk!! I would have felt exactly the same as you did and would probably have responded the same too. I have no idea who you are talking about and if I did I would definitely stay away from them.


Edited at 2012-03-14 02:48 pm (UTC)
beldam1 From: beldam1 Date: March 14th, 2012 03:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I certainly feel like someone was looking down their nose at me. I've been on many a cleaning crew. I was raised if you are not going to do your best don't do it at all. I would be curious to know what profession they aspire to or if Mother was still cleaning up after them. I believe you were too kind in your response because it certainly didn't seem to get through the thick skull of the author that it was offensive. You can find incompetents in any profession but the implications of this writer I hope NEVER gets the power over another group of people
tresa_cho From: tresa_cho Date: March 14th, 2012 02:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
O_O What a completely unprofessional response to your comment. And what awful grammar. You're a lot nicer than me. I'd have outed the author to everyone, haha! You're totally in the right and she has no idea what she's talking about. You weren't even confrontational.
chase820 From: chase820 Date: March 14th, 2012 04:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
I say this as someone who is extremely sensitive to critical feedback, but: the author was out of line. Your comment was polite and coherent; she had no justification in calling you crazy. She sounds really young and overprivileged to me, going by the tone of her story and her comments.
enigmaticblues From: enigmaticblues Date: March 14th, 2012 05:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wow. Yeah, the author was out of line. I can see why you'd be insulted by the fic, and if the author was a little sensitive to criticism, s/he could have chosen not to respond at all.
hells_half_acre From: hells_half_acre Date: March 14th, 2012 09:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
You are definitely not crazy. The author was out of line, and I agree with the comment above that the author sounds very young and overprivileged.

I've found that I've gotten that attitude a bit while doing extra work...from other extras. Like, they talk when it's supposed to be quiet on set, and they don't care about the continuity of their positions, because "it's not like it matters" - but it's a point of professionalism for me to do the job as well as I possibly can, even if it's not an "important" job.

What I'm saying is that the author could have EASILY blamed it on the POV and apologized - instead the author just exposed how much of an overprivileged idiot they are.

just_ruth From: just_ruth Date: March 14th, 2012 10:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heavens no! I work at a psychiatric center and after "Sam Interrupted" I was so angry no one from fandom wanted to talk to me for a good three weeks.

Unfortunately, this is something that has been happening in the US for some time. It's partially why Mike Rowe went on the Discovery Channel with "Dirty Jobs." Jobs that are considered "service industry" are looked down upon - even though the ones looking down upon them depend on these people for making their lives comfortable.

I'm very sorry you experienced that. Beyond a doubt, stay away from them! Sounds like they have a problem with skin color as well, from that paragraph.

ferrous_wheeler From: ferrous_wheeler Date: March 15th, 2012 12:53 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't think you were out of line at all! By the responses and rather back-handed apology, it sounds like the writer might be rather immature and not capable of facing criticism in a more tactful way.
cherrymmm From: cherrymmm Date: March 15th, 2012 01:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Jeez, take the criticism as a learning experience and move on (her, not you).

Personally, I bend over backwards for any service industry worker or laborer type who do a good job. Work is hard, yo! Gotta give credit where credit is due!
lit_gal From: lit_gal Date: March 15th, 2012 06:15 am (UTC) (Link)
That's totally rude. Maybe if I was feeling defensive about a piece, I would have said something about how I didn't mean to offend you, but this guy just has bad cleaners at his place or something. I could understand a writer doing that. But really... it's actually pretty rare to find workers that don't want to do a good job. Does anyone go to work saying, I'm going to suck today? I know all the cleaners at my job by name, and they're awesome, so it isn't an American thing for cleaners to be lazy. It is, however, true that some people are snobs.
lilacsigil From: lilacsigil Date: March 15th, 2012 08:44 am (UTC) (Link)
Some people are heinous snobs! Part of my job involves retail (I work in a pharmacy) and one of my co-workers was always talking about how terrible it was that she had to work a retail job and how she was so much better than that. We were all thrilled when she quit, because while she did a good job at some things, she was very picky as to what she chose to actually do! (Her next job, of course, was also retail pharmacy.)
sazzy_angel From: sazzy_angel Date: March 15th, 2012 10:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
awwww that sucks i'm sorry. I hope your day gets better.
corbyinoz From: corbyinoz Date: March 16th, 2012 12:34 am (UTC) (Link)
When I first read the excerpt, I did think that perhaps it was character POV, you know, a revelation of their shallowness - not necessarily a reflection of the author's thoughts. But their repsonse to you was totally rude and unnecessary. Among the various jobs I have done in my life, I have worked as a chambermaid, a house cleaner, a cleaner in a bank, and a bar worker. I have also worked as a teacher, a public servant, and a professor at uni. *There is no difference to the way I approach(ed) each of these jobs, nor to the work ethic I brought to each*. In fact, working as a chambermaid in particular was one of the more satisfying jobs I ever had. I would enter chaos and leave a welcoming haven, and I always felt good about doing that for someone's holiday.

This author needs to bloody well grow up. And find some manners. And perhaps reflect on the fact that without good people doing good work in the cleaning industry every day, our world would be a distinctly less pleasant and *safe* place to live and work in.
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