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Why I seem to be a bad fan... - Me myself and I
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Why I seem to be a bad fan...
There's times I think that I'm a bad fan.

I don't like Ten, I loved Eight, Nine and Eleven, and I like what little I've seen of the previous Doctors. But I don't like Ten. And though I like Rose, loved her with Nine, but I really didn't like her with Ten...

I loved Torchwood, but Ianto bored the hell out of me.

I love Teen Wolf, but I can't stand Sterek. Stiles bores me, I hate Jackson, and I really wish there was more fanfic focusing on Scott whom I love.

I hated Firefly, tried to watch Sherlock, but I by far prefer Elementary..

I don't think that Supernatural is sexist.

I'm a big Grimm fan, but I only like Renard when he isn't being mister mysterious and is just the helpful decent police captain persona. Even if it isn't entirely his full personality.

The Ghostfacers on Supernatural annoy me ever single second they're on screen. I hate 'relatable' losers.

Dan Slott sucks and has no clue how to write Spider-Man.

I also by far prefer the original three Spider-Man movies, even if they did have their flaws, over the new one with Gwen 'i'm so boring they had to kill me to make me interesting' Stacy.

I can't stand Loki. I think he's an annoying brat who has no ground to stand on. And no, finding out you're adopted is no excuse for trying to kill millions of people.At least Thor learned from his mistakes, Loki just decided to make bigger ones.

I love Captain America, and I'm not even American. I just love good decent people being true heroes. And no, characters like that don't have to be boring, not if they're written right.

I far prefer sci fi on earth, over sci fi in alien environments, it's an odd thing I have.

I don't hate Castiel, I think he goes well enough with Dean, but I'm not in love with the character and I could do without him if I have to. I actually like Dean/Benny much better and think that Benny is a more interesting and more likable character. Plus he has more chemistry with Dean in their first scene together, than Dean and Cas had in all the seasons that Castiel has been on the show.

I don't care about Castiel's feelings, I just don't.

Season eight of SPN is at high risk of making me lose all interest in Sam. And the more I see fics trying to tell me Sam really was this big hero, or that try and go all 'Sam did bring Dean back', the less I like him. Because they all ignore the reality that Sam didn't look for Dean and acted annoyed that Dean was back.And yes, Dean did have every right to be pissed off about this.

I can't stand Willow on BtVS. She's annoying, cutesy and passive aggressive.

I prefer Duncan MacLeod over Methos, so sue me...

I hate that so many people take Dumbledore's statement over Harry being the Master of Death literal. It's ruined 90% of SPN/Harry Potter crossovers for me.

I want Dexter to end with Dexter getting arrested, preferably after Deb turns him in.And I'd be even happier if the Miami PD finds out the truth about him midway through the last season, so we get at least a few episodes with people reacting to finding out he's a serial killer. With the series ending with him as the final antagonist that needs to be taken down.

I'm not a Glee fan, the music's cool enough, but I have no interest in the characters

I also don't like how much Avengers fandom is into Coulson. It's not even that I hate the guy, it's just that I barely even noticed him, yet fandom seems to focus on him over loads of far more interesting characters.

I also wish that they'd used Carol Danvers aka Ms Marvel aka Captain Marvel for the part that was given to Coulson. At least then Avengers would have been less of a sausage fest.

So I'm guessing, looking at my previous experiences in fandom, people are probably going to love Defiance, there will be loads of fanfic and fanart about it and no matter how much I'll try to ignore it, half my friendlist on lj will start squeeing about it and I'll be sitting by the side wondering how they even got through the first episode...
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lady_yashka From: lady_yashka Date: April 21st, 2013 10:42 am (UTC) (Link)
I prefer Duncan MacLeod over Methos, so sue me...

::gasp:: I'm going to have to unfriend you now.

Just kidding. ;)

I love both characters, but I prefer Connor MacLeod. I fell in love with his character first.

Season eight of SPN is at high risk of making me lose all interest in Sam.

I do agree with you about Sam to an extent. Before his speech to Dean in 8.14, I was pretty annoyed with him. Then afterwards, I was like "All is forgiven!"

And I love Dean and Cas' relationship. It's awesome and he broke Naomi's hold because of Dean. I still cried when Benny stayed in purgatory. I love Benny and I liked his relationship with Dean as well. I hope he comes back.
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: April 21st, 2013 10:50 am (UTC) (Link)
True, Sam is getting better, and I loved that they finally had Bobby call Sam out on what he did. But it just annoyed me when they had Dean apologize, whereas Sam never did.

As for Cas, I don't hate the Dean/Cas relationship. In fact, I've written Dean/Cas fic.

But there's a reason I prefer submissive Dean with dominant Cas, and it's because I always relate more with the submissive part of the pairing. And for me, that person I relate to just isn't Cas.

As for Methos... I'm a huge fan of the character. But I still like Mac better. ;-)

Edited at 2013-04-21 10:53 am (UTC)
hyndara71 From: hyndara71 Date: April 21st, 2013 11:05 am (UTC) (Link)
You're not a bad fan, that's stupid! You have your likes and they are not all maintain, that's all. My, the half of your post was a big questionmark for me because I never watched Buffy, Highlander or Torchwood. Doctor Who ... about Nine I'm with you, but I cannot stand Eleven, sorry. I tried two veeeery long seasons but ... nope.
I'm not this much into Comics or Marvel - heck, I'm the felt only one on this earth who loved Green Lantern! LOL but I don't care about what people say. I've watched Avengers, Captain America and Thor, nice popcorn-movies but I don't really get why everyone seems to be so deep in love with it. Again, not my cup of tea. Doesn't make that a bad fan out of me? Nope, and so should you.
Bacause in the end, the only person you have to stand is yourself. Like or don't like and don't care about some idiots telling you, WHAT you have to like. That's cruel and not true!
You are not a bad fan, you are an interesting person with a delicate taste, that's what you are!

Besides ... I'm not into Defiance, I don't want to watch it and I'm seriously don't like it, no matter how many people will squee about it. So, you are not alone :)
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: April 21st, 2013 11:11 am (UTC) (Link)
lol, I always find it interesting to see when people have different fandoms that I've never even heard of. Hell, there's plenty of series I've given a chance because other people I know liked them...

It just sometimes gives me a sadface when people don't like what I like ;-)
just_ruth From: just_ruth Date: April 21st, 2013 11:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Don't worry, I had no interest in the first episode.

As for the rest - even if I don't agree, welcome to the club of the Cultural Infidel:



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liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: April 21st, 2013 11:13 am (UTC) (Link)
glad to hear it. Honestly, I'm not even going in against mainstream fandom on purpose, but there's times that I wonder if I'm watching a different show than they are ;-)
tifaching From: tifaching Date: April 21st, 2013 11:30 am (UTC) (Link)
How does any of this make you a bad fan? You're entitled to your own opinions on anything and everything and if it differs from the majority of fandom you're still a good fan.

I also prefer Duncan over Methos, don't like Loki, can't understand the fascination with Coulson, don't care for Castiel, thought Benny had much better chemistry with Dean and am annoyed with (but don't hate)Sam.

I liked Willow, am not crazy about Scott on Teen Wolf, loved Firefly and am crazy about Renard, no matter what persona he's got going.

Does that make me a better fan than you? No. It just means that I have different views of fannish things.

Like what you like and don't like what you don't like and don't fret over it!
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: April 21st, 2013 11:37 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh I know, and honestly, I don't begrudge people for liking things I can't stand either. That actually would make me a bad fan. Sometimes it's just fun to rant on :-)
serendip50 From: serendip50 Date: April 21st, 2013 12:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
I agree entirely with you about Spn. And I don't particularly like Castiel as a character either he's annoying from my pov and much too ingratiating...maybe I mix him up with Misha...lol.

I don't really follow any of the other fandoms you mentioned, they don't really hold my interest...or perhaps I am shallow and they are just not pretty enough for me, mostly.

Perhaps you should try some more excellent tv like...Spartacus, Gods of The Arena..et al, Sons of Anarchy, Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead and an oldie but goodie Queer As Folk (UK)....x
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: April 21st, 2013 12:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
I actually do watch the Walking Dead, but my only really unpopular opinions in that fandom are that I liked Lori and Andrea.
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frelling_tralk From: frelling_tralk Date: April 21st, 2013 12:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Totally agree on Doctor Who. I loved the Ninth Doctor, but I found David Tennent intensely irritating in parts of series 2 quite honestly. People kept saying it's only because you're so attached to your Doctor/he will grow on you, but he...never really did. Then I liked the 11th Doctor straight away. And yeah I shipped Rose with the Ninth Doctor, but I thought that she was waaay too hyper and smug with the Tenth Doctor. I always thought he worked best with older women like Donna or even Jackie

I liked the Ghostfacers fine in their initial episode, but I found them soooo annoying in the season 3 episode focusing on them, OMG one of my least favourite SPN episodes ever. Not only was it boring, but it was so jarring how they tried to go for a comic tone with the whole you need to go be gay with the intern or whatever it was they were saying, after he was tragically killed and hanging round as a ghost

And yeah I like Castiel okay, but I've never understand the fan support that Dean/Castiel get and all of the people convinced that it will be canon one day. And Sam :( He's someone who I have always defended in seasons 4 and 5 when he got criticised, but yeah I agree there's no excuse for not looking for Dean and I don't blame Dean for being angry and hurt. I just don't believe that Sam wouldn't have looked for him when you see how desperate he was to make a deal in I Know What You Did Last Summer, so frankly I haven't even watched season 8 yet because I've read so many negative reports on my flist from what the new showrunners did to Sam and the brother scenes

Edited at 2013-04-21 12:51 pm (UTC)
ficwriter1966 From: ficwriter1966 Date: April 21st, 2013 12:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
I agree with tifaching - having personal preferences doesn't make you a "bad fan."

I see so much of it around LJ - people insisting that everyone think *exactly* the way they do regarding a show, or fandom activities. To me, the differences are what make things interesting! (Which isn't to say that other fans don't frustrate the hell out of me occasionally.) You're a human being, from your own particular background. Who you are, and the experiences you've had, will color your reactions toward everything you encounter, TV shows/books/movies included. Anybody who's telling you that's wrong... Well, they either think way too highly of themselves, or they're so terrified of the whole thing that they can't have any fun unless everyone else bolsters their opinion.

I'm pretty vocal, sometimes, in complaining about SPN - and I'll get that migraine-inducing response, "Then why don't you stop watching???" THAT makes me crazy. I'm not a "good fan" (or a fan at all) unless I roam around like a sheep, squealing about how frickin' awesome every single little part of the show is, every single week? Come ON.

I've never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, Dr. Who, Dexter, Sherlock, Torchwood or Firefly, though I did watch Serenity to see what people kept going on about - and I didn't like it at all.

I'm not a slasher, so discussion of slash pairings makes me eyeroll.

I don't think SPN is any more sexist than anything else on TV. I was OK with the Ghostfacers in "Hell House," but I think the show tries way too hard to jam them down our throats (and I don't find them particularly funny). I love Cas, and his relationship with Dean. I loathe Benny. LOATHE. HIM., and I think the whole "Most awesome bromance EVER" stuff is bullshit. My eyes practically rolled out of my head during their big tearful goodbye scene. I don't hate Sam, although I do think Show has a terrible tendency to portray him as a self-entitled, whiny pain in the ass.

I can take Renard or leave him. The whole "Family" conspiracy thing is my least favorite part of the show. Monroe and Rosalee are my favorite part of the show. Nick is...okay. And I wish they wouldn't persist in writing Juliette as such a nit.

I love Willow, particularly Willow/Oz, though I thought the Willow/Tara relationship was sweet and very genuine. Love Giles, Xander, Anya, Spike, Harmony. My least favorite character? BUFFY.

I enjoy most of the music on Glee, but I find it almost impossible to care about any of the characters or relationships, because they're not written consistently. I think Kurt has his moments (particularly in scenes with his dad, and once in a great while with Blaine - and I blame the writers entirely for my dislike of Blaine, because Darren Criss seems likeable and charming), but I find Rachel almost constantly annoying and self-entitled.

Agree about the Spider-Man movies. The new reboot has no *heart* - it's just sort of "there," with a lot of expensive FX. Tobey Maguire gave the originals some real heart that's sadly missing in the new one. I won't bother to see any sequels.
tifaching From: tifaching Date: April 21st, 2013 03:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
Chiming in here to say...don't judge Firefly by Serenity. If you'd seen the series, the characters and what they were up against might have engaged you a lot more. Or they might not have. Now chiming back out. :D
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dragonflymuse From: dragonflymuse Date: April 21st, 2013 04:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Believe me, if I listed all my fandom dislikes, the list would be as long as yours. And maybe a bit more controversial in a couple areas :)

Having watched 'The Avengers' because of the Whedon connection, I had zero investment in any of the 'heroes', and I think that is why Coulson became such a focus for some people. Aside from RDJ, who eats scenery on a daily basis, everyone else in the Superhero club were pretty darn dull. Props for Whedon to get in everyone's backstory as quickly and efficiently as possible, but for people not into the characters from the beginning, it was hollow exposition. Joss is all about the ordinary person being the one to sacrifice the most for the good of the plot world and he had Fury sell it like a door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesman. And, Coulson was a fanboy, crushing on Captain America, so who else would the audience most relate to? At least, that is why I found Coulson interesting, poor little plot point that he was.
coronasunrise From: coronasunrise Date: May 1st, 2013 09:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think another reason I liked Coulson is he was is a bunch of the Marvel movies. So you saw him a bunch he was a background character you felt comfortable with. He had way too many lines in Avenger for his character type so I knew he was toast.

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sinanju From: sinanju Date: April 21st, 2013 06:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
My wife has a saying. "It's ALL fanfic." By which she means, every episode of every tv show, every novel, every movie. It's one particular person's (or group's) view of the characters in question. Even the individual who created them is writing fanfic, and is capable making horrible missteps (I give you Dawn on Buffy, for one). You're always free to reject any given character, relationship, storyline, etc and cleanse your personal "headcanon" of it. Or to demote or promote characters to starring roles as you see fee in your own personal headcanon.

There are shows I love with a white-hot passion that my wife cannot abide, and vice versa. There are shows that fandom as a whole seems to adore with that same white hot passion that I don't care for (and vice versa). It's all just opinion.

I like all the doctors, but Nine is my favorite (Chris Eccleston was my first). Rose, Amy & Rory, and Donna were my favorite companions.

Torch wood was okay. My wife loves it (especially Jack and Ianto--it's all fanfic).

I loved Firefly (my wife calls it "that show with the space hooker"). Never tried Sherlock. Love, love, love Elementary.

Grimm gets better the more people who get brought in on Nick's secret, very much including Captain Renard. (My favorite character is Monroe.)

Buffy only ran three seasons, with a "Halloween Special" about the Gentlemen.

Revolution was every bit as awful as I figured it would be (Read "Dies the Fire" by Sterling instead), and Defiance will be the same.

Never saw Teen Wolf, but it sure as heck is all over my Tumblr feed.

The only thing you can be sure of in Supernatural is not misogyny, but that everyone who isn't Sam or Dean WILL DIE.
ffutures From: ffutures Date: April 21st, 2013 06:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Defiance is trying to press the same buttons as Firefly and isn't doing it well, so if you hated Firefly you'll REALLY hate Defiance. I love Firefly and I'm lukewarm to Defiance, giving it a chance but it is going to have to improve a LOT for me to stay with it.

Re your other points, agree 100% re Loki - he's an evil creep - and Coulson; he is NOT Clint Barton's boyfriend and even if he's dead in the Movieverse he's alive in the animated Spider Man series etc. so it really doesn't matter much to me. Don't know Carol Danvers well, but there are plenty of strong female characters in the Marvel universe, they could have easily fitted more in - I would have preferred Jessica Jones, but that's just me.

Really don't want to go through the rest agreeing or disagreeing, it's about 50:50 anyway. Really don't think you're any worse than me or anyone else in being a good or bad fan.
impala1967 From: impala1967 Date: April 21st, 2013 07:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't like eleven at all. Took me a year to get to like Ten cause I loved Nine.

Loved TW but not the most recent chapter

Don't like Teen Wolf, can't seem to get into it.

Can't stand the ghostfacers. Every episode with them in it was boring as hell for me.

Love Loki. Not a fan of Thor. Just can't seem to stop seeing him as 'Kim' from Home and Away.

The Capt America movie was so bad for me. Esp since Cap was my fav comic book hero, plus it for me was miscast. Should have been Jensen playing that role.

Connor and methos for me .... sorry Duncan.

Yes, why all the coulson buzz. I just don't get it.

I so want Dexter caught. I really liked Deeks (?) and want him proven innocent

Glee, love the music, can't stand the characters

BtVS. Pretty much loved all of them.

And well SPN , I could go on for ages about this show. LOVE Castiel, LOVE Benny and of course LOVE Dean. Lost the Sam love right back in S06 and can't find it again, DAMN Sera.

It was pretty predicatable that when Dean and Cas went to purgatory Sam would see that as his way out of hunting. Was a bit shocked that he didn't even try to find them. It would have been better if he did try and had no luck so then went all civilian. And I'm pleased Dean was pissed but he got over it and his purgatory PTSD way to soon.

Bring Benny back .... pleaseeeeee
dreamsofspike From: dreamsofspike Date: April 22nd, 2013 02:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
agreed 100% on elementary!! :) I adore that show!! :)

And who DO you like on Grimm? It's my new obsession! Any ships/favorite characters? :)
corbyinoz From: corbyinoz Date: April 27th, 2013 01:39 am (UTC) (Link)
Hee! Well, if I were to list my fandom loves and hates, I'm sure I'd have something as eclectic as yours.

It's nice when you feel in step with a fandom, there's a lovely sense of community - but I don't mind if I'm the only one doing the loving. At the emoment I'm all about Tim Gutterson on Justified - and he gets about five minutes screen time every third week. The Justified love is all for Raylan and Boyd. But even though that would be so much more convenient - nope. Tim.

Agree about Supernatural not being sexist and have written metas thereto. Ianto's a whiny hysteric. Do not get the Coulson love. I loved Ten but he stayed too long; loved Firefly, every scrap of it; can't stand Elementary because I love BBC Sherlock and really dislike Lucy Lui in anything she does, so the show never had a chance. But all of this is purely subjective, so anyone insisting "I am right/ you are wrong" is, basically, barking up the wrong tree. You may as well tell someone to like a food they hate. We love what we love. The end.
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: May 19th, 2013 07:06 am (UTC) (Link)
yeah, it's like they say, you can't argue colours or tastes.
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