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Please help me, I need to stay strong and not respond to J2 tinhats.

I don't want to be the kind of person who gets into fights online if they can be avoided.... But damn it, is it really that hard to see the difference between fantasy and reality?
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ladypeyton From: ladypeyton Date: October 12th, 2011 02:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
For some people it is and absolutely *nothing* you can say will shake their belief system. They've spent *years* looking for any tiny hint they could find to prove this whackjob theory so they obviously know *better* than you. Especially since they have surrounded themselves with like minded thinkers who boost each other up and reenforce their beliefs.

So any response you could make would simply be a total waste of your time.
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: October 12th, 2011 02:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I know, and I should make myself behave like an adult and say nothing, hell, I've already written two comments and then stopped myself from actually posting them.
ladypeyton From: ladypeyton Date: October 12th, 2011 03:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
LOL! I do that too. I can't seem to help myself on Buffyforums and often find myself responsing to Cheryl4ba and now Dorothyfan, who insists the entire 'verseshould be All. About. Willow.
ficwriter1966 From: ficwriter1966 Date: October 12th, 2011 02:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
But damn it, is it really that hard to see the difference between fantasy and reality?

Depends on who's doing the looking, I suppose. I've run into a couple of people who've built up such a finely-tuned fantasy in their minds that to admit it's not real would wreck them. Which honestly makes me very sad.

I think most of those folks are perfectly well aware of what the reality is (in this case), but they're having too much fun creating something else to let go of it - even when it's cruel and obnoxious to the real people involved. That's part of the "fun" of being anonymous on the Internet - you can be as obnoxious as you like, and it rarely comes back to bite you. Which also makes me very sad.
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: October 12th, 2011 02:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thing is, I thought the B/A warriors and such from the Duck board during the highdays of Buffy were bad. But at least they kept their delusions restricted to the fictional characters.

This whole ... tinhats thing is just... too much. I mean, I don't really care if people write RPS, happens often enough, but many of these people just don't see that reality doesn't have to impact their fanfic. Jared can be as straight and as in love with Gen as he wants to be and it still shouldn't stop them from being able to write fanfic about him and Jensen. So why do they feel so 'attacked' when reality proves them wrong?

I've seen several people (mostly anon ones) claim that Jared and Jensen have been 'leading them on', making me wonder, how? By being friends and actually liking one another in real life as well as onscreen?


Hell, I've even already seen two fics making Jared's having a baby seem like some huge tragedy, and as if he's cheating on Jensen. (you know, by having sex with the woman he actually married)... and it just... it's just too much.
ficwriter1966 From: ficwriter1966 Date: October 12th, 2011 08:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
but many of these people just don't see that reality doesn't have to impact their fanfic.

Absolutely! I honestly don't understand the compulsion to write that stuff, but if it's somebody's thing, then...fine. Go write it. But insisting that reality go along with your kind-of-sideways view of what reality ought to be - that's both just insane, and it's setting yourself up for disappointment.

What's that one definition of "insanity"...? Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different outcome.

As far as J&J "leading people on" - I know they (and Misha, and now some of the other actors, too) play around onstage at the cons, like they're saying, "Ooooh, see?? SLASHY!" It's just a game. I think the boys expect the audience to understand that it's just a game, and the boys will play along with it to a certain degree, mostly at the cons, and for the DVD gag reel. As I said, I feel really sad for the people who don't understand those little performances are exactly that...performances.

I would imagine that J&J don't spend nearly as much offscreen time together as they used to. They seem to have different groups of (non-SPN) friends, and I don't see any pictures of them together other than at public events. So other than the cons, there's not much "leading on" happening, that I can tell!
trystan830 From: trystan830 Date: October 12th, 2011 02:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
to borrow a quote i've used alot, and then tweaked for this situation:

Demons I get; this fandom is crazy!
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: October 12th, 2011 02:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
that's for sure...

trystan830 From: trystan830 Date: October 12th, 2011 03:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
but yes, to answer a question: there are people who really don't know the difference between reality and fantasy, and trying to explain it to them... well, i'd get more response from banging my head against a brick wall. i don't even see those people on my flist, so yaaay for that. =)
adrenalineshots From: adrenalineshots Date: October 12th, 2011 03:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
Lets just say that, for the amount of crazy people online who have no track of what's real and what's fantasy, I'm vary glad that they're ONLINE and not, you know, someplace where they can do actual damage to the people involved, in this case Jared, Jensen and their respective wives.

Because, truly, you can't convince me that someone who dismisses reality just because it doesn't fit their carefully thought-out concept of reality is someone balanced and sane.
suzmc From: suzmc Date: October 12th, 2011 04:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Honey, I know what you mean. It's a huge reason I've withdrawn drastically from this fandom. Love my show, but the invasive way fans treat Jared and Jensen is absolutely nuts. I often wonder why they are even willing to make appearances with all the crazy out there written about them. Speaks to what very nice people they must be to not punish sane fangirls with a happy attraction for what the nutjobs think.

THEY ARE NOT GAY! These men aren't gay. As in straight. As in always loved women. The need for women to make them gay is a way to soothe the sting that THEY WILL NEVER HAVE THEM!!! If they're gay, it ain't so disappointing that Jared ain't about to beat down your door to have his way with you. Period.

As for slash, I have never had a problem with slashing fictional characters. Not my cup of tea, but fair game. I have a huge problem with the RPS because these are REAL PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES AND LIVES AND CAREERS. It's my opinion that it's just not respectful to the boys. (I'm sure I'll get mail on that one but WTF ever.) Worse are the manips. What if someone manipulated a nude photo of one of us that went viral on the net? It would be embarrassing at the very least but for a celebrity, it could be damaging to his career.

Fandoms in general have lost that sense of reality that keeps the pretend people separate from the real people. It's a mentality rampant across the net in our daily lives where we think nothing should be private and apply that to every situation.

There's nothing wrong with being gay, these guys just aren't. They are straight and married and one is about to be a father and the crazies need to get a grip. I'm sure they are losing their minds now just like those sad obsessed fans of Clay Akin when he finally jumped out the closet and they all felt like morons for insisting he was straight and singing just to them.

Reality...it's a nice place and some folks need to move back in.

Peace out!
Suz
corbyinoz From: corbyinoz Date: October 12th, 2011 09:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have written one RPS story, and have read many, many others, but I view them as movies that the boys are cast in. I don't actually read ones that show J2 as actors on SPN, you know? I like reading stories that offer new 'roles' for them, the more AU the better, so I don't like stories that include their real families in any way.

But I've never for a second thought these two were gay, or together as lovers. I remember seeing something when Jared got married; 'Congratulations to the beard and groom', and I was astonished that someone could be so presumptuous and rude. To me, much of the 'proof' offered is exactly the opposite; if they really *were* partners, and really were trying *not* to come out, I think they'd run a mile before moving in together, and their efforts at cons would be conspicuously butch and 'manly' and 'you stand over there, I'll stand over here'.
liliaeth From: liliaeth Date: October 12th, 2011 09:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
exactly, I've written two rps stories myself, both of them totally au, and I didn't even try to make the boy's families accurate in anything other than names, because really... we know nothing at all about them.

I mean, I also don't really like non au J2 (which is honestly a contradiction in terms, cause anything you write with them in it is au), but I have no interest in stories of them as actors. Because seriously, actors are boring, why would I want to read about actors, unless there's something like werewolves or stuff involved.

I really think that the tinhats are a very small but very loud minority, cause most people whom I've met who write and/or read J2 fics are more than aware that it's just fiction. It's just too bad that those few give a very very bad impression of fandom in general.
astridv From: astridv Date: October 12th, 2011 09:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
omg, I saw that! No point engaging, these people are too far gone for reason.
transemacabre From: transemacabre Date: October 13th, 2011 12:37 am (UTC) (Link)
You cannot logically argue someone out of a position that they did not arrive at logically.
shopgirl318 From: shopgirl318 Date: November 13th, 2011 10:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Nice post. I remember when Jared gotten engaged-married and later Jensen with Daneel Harris. Parts of fandom were in chaos which was pathetic and sad. Don't get me wrong I do like and read J2, the AUs are the best because fic authors don't feel the need to trash the people in their lives. Even with the non AU J2 stories doesn't squick me out either because I tend to look at those stories as another form of fanfic or slash tbh. It is heightened reality or not reality in my eyes and complete fiction which is how it should be. It is just exaggerated in some way and the same with wincest fics. Obviously in cannon they aren't that close but fannon and interpretations vary, though Sam/Dean is a different animal though.

I feel bad for the J2 tinhats all they are doing is reflecting their own desires on the actors. I love that Jared is having a baby with his 2 parents that kid will be goregous.
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